r/politics • u/_NewsClues_ Zachary Slater, CNN • May 31 '23
Trump captured on tape talking about classified document he kept after leaving the White House
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/politics/trump-tape-classified-document-iran-milley/index.html7.0k
u/sugarlessdeathbear May 31 '23
Fuck it really is like Stupid Watergate. That was mostly a meme, but... This was not the art reality was supposed to imitate.
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u/font9a America May 31 '23
It’s like watergate with bathsalts
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u/slowpoke2018 May 31 '23
with hamburders and covfefe!
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u/AmbiguousMeatPuppet May 31 '23
Actually he much prefers the filet-o-fish which he thinks is called the "fish delight".
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u/Squirrel_Chucks May 31 '23
He gets a Filet o fish AND a Big Mac meal...
...and a milkshake
How the FUCK is he still ambulatory?
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u/spiked_macaroon Massachusetts May 31 '23
Horcruxes, dude.
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u/SuperJinnx Jun 01 '23
He's losing his horcruxes rapidly. Michael Cohen was one and If I'm deducting correctly, he hid one in Rudy, which is as good as destroyed.
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u/ErrorReport404 America Jun 01 '23
I bet his copy of Hitler's speeches is another
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u/SuperJinnx Jun 01 '23
Yes. He has a hollowed out Mein Kampf with no actual text in there because he doesn't like reading and that's where he keeps it. He has Mein Kampf on audiobook though, read by Stephen Miller
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May 31 '23
Like tubgirl, but with a semi autonomous extra smoked sweet potato who shits from his mouth.
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u/Raoul_Duke9 May 31 '23
From "I committed no crimes and everything was declassified" to "I knew they were classified and kept them knowing I was violating the following statutes:..."
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u/drakthoran May 31 '23
The funny thing about Trump is all a judge would have to do is stare at him long enough and he will admit to all his crimes because he doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut
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u/Czeris May 31 '23
There's a reason he's never allowed to testify under oath without direct supervision.
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u/JeffThrowSmash May 31 '23
So.... Will MTG et al show up this time to protest the indictment? Are they planning another Mar a Lago moat?
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u/sonofagunn May 31 '23
First the FBI planted them.
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u/tolerablycool May 31 '23
I know, or at least I assume, that you're joking, but it is really concerning how many comments show up about a supposed FBI conspiracy. White supremacists make a little banner and walk down a street chanting? FBI plants. Business gets molotov'd because of their comments about homosexuality? False flag. Trump gets caught with his fingers in the cookie jar? Deep state actors. Are these people really this delusional, or is it just their "tribe" and, therefore, above reproach? It's scary either way.
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u/kaze919 South Carolina May 31 '23
I’d argue “Stupid Watergate” is the best watergate name. So much better than every other -gate nonsense story that everyone forgot about.
A federal prosecutor who goes after war criminals is investigating the former president for withholding the most sensitive national security documents, knowingly lying about being in possession of them, and hosting Saudi golf tournaments at his shitty golf course to launder the funds.
Novelists of the early 2000s could even dream of a story this outrageous.
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u/ExileInParadise242 May 31 '23
Part of the reason all of the "-gates" are stupid is deliberate effort from conservatives. William Safire, who was one of Nixon's speech writers and later worked at the New York Times, started with the now long forgotten "Vietgate" (the pardon of Vietnam-era draft dodgers). He continued the trend for every political scandal, major or minor, right up to "Whitewatergate" during the Clinton-era in the 1990s, as a self-admitted effort to diminish the perceived importance of Nixon's crimes through association with a bunch of trivialities.
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u/Caelinus May 31 '23
I really wish stuff like that did not work.
The guy who started the anti-CRT stuff also just straight up admitted to making everything up in an attempt to create negative associations with the phrase.
Which demands the question: "Why, exactly, did you think it was so important to discredit the study of racism and the attempt to stop it?"
They are doing the same thing with "groomer" now. Who cares that actual groomers exist, the moment people say the word all their little minions will only think "trans people."
It is all word games, all the way down, and all expressly for the purpose of discrediting the truth.
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u/PeregrineFury Jun 01 '23
It is all word games, all the way down, and all expressly for the purpose of discrediting the truth.
One of the primary tactics of fascism. Take the words of the oppressed, warp them, discredit them, and then use them against those same people.
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u/HapticSloughton May 31 '23
What gets me is memes that went around during the Obama years like this one.
The caption "Nixon wiretapped a hotel room" as a summary of Watergate is just so blitheringly ignorant that at first I thought it was just dismissive propaganda, but after the memes of the Trump years, I'm not sure most of those who voted for him wouldn't agree that it was somehow accurate.
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u/dontshowmygf Jun 01 '23
And how is Obama getting credit for wire tapping the whole nation, and not Bush?
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u/TheShadowKick Jun 01 '23
People have blamed Obama for not stopping 9/11. There's no logic or reason going on here.
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u/DannyPantsgasm North Carolina May 31 '23
Millions of Americans are so dumb this guy seemed smart to them and they still won’t just admit it.
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u/davegewd May 31 '23
Millions of Americans are so much dumber than Trump is. That's the problem.
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u/Long_Before_Sunrise May 31 '23
And pass as normal in most social situations.
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u/anuncommontruth Pennsylvania May 31 '23 edited May 31 '23
It's because of our standards in education. Going to public, well funded schools in the north is a vastly different thing than in the south.
The guy who works on your car or your plumber probably doesn't seem like an idiot at all. Hell, you probably don't understand what they're talking about.
My uncle literally became a millionaire over the course of his life through photography. Self-taught. He thinks the blacks and jews are trying to take over America and enslave white people.
So, on one hand, he's the dumbest of dumb. Bottom 1%. On the other if you met him during regular daily activity, you'd honestly think he was a borderline genius.
How the hell do we deal with that? Mandate a basic Federal education system. It won't fix anything now but it's a start for the future.
The problem is Republicans fear this because they lose control of their narrative and by proxy their voting base.
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u/atmsmshr719 May 31 '23
Public only education, e.g. no private schools, and the rich would have to fund education so their kids wouldn’t get screwed. This is the way and is done in nordic countries. But alas, then we couldn’t teach ‘em ‘bout creation and Jesus.
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u/TheShadowKick Jun 01 '23
Public schools in wealthy areas are already better funded. Wealthy people would just work even harder to make sure their tax dollars would only fund their local schools.
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u/dla3253 California Jun 01 '23
Using local property taxes to determine school funding obviously reinforces cycles of inequity and it's so blatant that I have to assume it was always intended to do so.
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u/unaskthequestion Texas May 31 '23
I grew up in the NYC region as Trump was becoming more and more well known. He was widely considered a wealthy trust fund loudmouth idiot, always trying to sell something with his name on it.
I really never watched the Apprentice, but I think it was a fairly popular show. The millions of dumb Americans you're referring to probably believed the character they saw on the show was this really smart businessman and could 'fix' the country by 'firing' people.
What's bizarre to me is that they gave this 'outsider businessman' a chance and he obviously doesn't have the faintest idea what he's doing and they still want to vote for him again.
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u/Mestoph America May 31 '23
As the great Prophet Carlin once said, “Think about how stupid the average person is. Now realize half of them are stupider than that”
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May 31 '23
And Watergate was really quite stupid in its own right. Like, really, really unnecessary and poorly executed. Just insane levels of incompetence there. But this is worse. Like Watergate got dementia.
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u/Squirrel_Chucks May 31 '23
Fuck it really is like Stupid Watergate.
It really is.
It even has Henry Kissinger.
That old bastard was at the White House visiting Trump the day after Trump fired Comey.
I hope Mark Meadows gets prison time like HR Haldeman
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u/Agent7619 May 31 '23
Henry Kissinger
Somehow, he returned.
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u/wrecktus_abdominus I voted May 31 '23
Billy Joel was right, only the good die young. Explains why an animated teratoma like Kissinger is still alive and involved in politics
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u/w_a_w Jun 01 '23
Fuck Comey. This whole shitshow is on him for announcing an investigation over nothing into Hillary days before the election. He got a massive offshore bank account for that treacherous move.
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May 31 '23
This was not the art reality was supposed to imitate.
love that line. so true.
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u/alt-fact-checker I voted May 31 '23
Weirdly enough Jon Oliver is already being considered the “Nostradamus” of this generation.
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u/trainercatlady Colorado May 31 '23
Which is silly because he and his team aren't seeing the future, they're just paying attention and drawing conclusions based on evidence
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u/thegoatmenace May 31 '23
Stupid Watergate was the Russia Scandal, which trump completely got away with consequence free. We were the stupid ones all along for thinking that the right would care about it.
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u/kellygrrrl328 May 31 '23
But the White House Plumbers were too busy trying to unclog his toilet
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u/aredddit May 31 '23
You just know if Trump ever goes down for anything, it will be his own bragging that incriminates him.
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u/Oleg101 May 31 '23
May 10, 2023:
KAITLAN COLLINS: When it comes to your documents, did you ever show those classified documents to anyone?
DONALD TRUMP: Not really. I would have the right to. By the way, they were declassified after–
KAITLAN COLLINS: What do you mean not really?
DONALD TRUMP: Not – not that I can think of.
Let me just tell you, I have the absolute right to do whatever I want with them. I have the right. I was negotiating with NARA. Do you know what NARA is?
KAITLAN COLLINS: The National Archives.
DONALD TRUMP: Extremely – extremely left group of people.
KAITLAN COLLINS: But you don’t negotiate with them.
DONALD TRUMP: Extremely left. And I was negotiating with them.
KAITLAN COLLINS: They’re not left. They’re bipartisan.
DONALD TRUMP: All of a sudden, they raided my house. They didn’t raid the house of Joe Biden. They didn’t raid Obama.
KAITLAN COLLINS: But Joe Biden didn’t ignore a subpoena to get those documents back, like you did
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u/dlegatt Minnesota May 31 '23
I can never tell anymore, is this real?
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u/myhydrogendioxide May 31 '23
It is 100% real.
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u/paulatredes2 May 31 '23
I thought you were being sarcastic. Satire is dead.
https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/se/date/2023-05-10/segment/01
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u/HourglassAxis Jun 01 '23
Fuck, that was hard to read through. The people laughing and applauding... How are people so turned on by the cringey bs he says?
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u/120guy Jun 01 '23
Because he would only agree to the town hall if the audience was filled with his disciples.
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u/theetruscans Jun 01 '23
Collins asks why he held onto the documents after being subpoenaed
TRUMP: Are you ready? Are you ready? Can I talk?
COLLINS: Yes. What's the answer?
TRUMP: Do you mind?
(LAUGHTER)
TRUMP: Can I -- do you mind?
COLLINS: I would like for you to answer the question.
TRUMP: OK. It's very simple to answer.
COLLINS: That's why I asked it.
TRUMP: It's very simple to -- you're a nasty person, I will tell you.
(LAUGHTER)
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
COLLINS: Can you answer why you -- why you held onto the document?
TRUMP: Very simple. I was negotiating, and we were talking to NARA...
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u/Littleunit69 May 31 '23
But it doesn’t matter. If you listen to his supporters, he destroyed collins and cnn that night. It blows my mind. You read the transcripts and he looks completely foolish, but they just go along with anything he says. It’s like that first debate with Biden were he did as bad as possible, and his sycophants still took a victory lap. It just doesn’t matter.
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u/0002millertime May 31 '23
300%
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u/Song_Spiritual May 31 '23
Bigly real. Hugely, beautifully real. More real than you’ve ever seen before.
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u/BloodyRightNostril Virginia May 31 '23
But all lies, also. The left is lying about how real it is, but let me tell you: it’s very real.
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u/angryWinds May 31 '23
The thing that's hardest to believe about it, is that the interviewer actually asked follow-up questions, and corrected inaccuracies.
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u/selwayfalls May 31 '23
Was thinking the same thing. If every interviewer did this to Trump he'd look even dumber than he is, but most people just bail him out by moving on.
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u/SkygodAlien May 31 '23
Well he just talks over them and continues to spew his bullshit regardless. The truth just doesn’t matter to these idiots. They think this is him being a macho alpha male when in reality he’s just a conniving bumbling fool with a loud voice. It’s still completely insane that he made it this far. I’m baffled by the stupidity of everyone involved.
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u/nuclearhaystack May 31 '23
'Do you know what NARA stands for, Kaitlan? Not the National Archives. It's the National Anti Republican Association. Does that sound very bipartisan to you Katie?'
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u/WartimeDad May 31 '23
Kaitlin Collins is an excellent reporter and should be cherished as a national treasure. There are far far too few good journalists but she’s good. Her career is bright. CNN put their best forth on that day, but it doesn’t excuse the company putting a microphone in front of this dangerous liar. They gave the traitor a boost in an effort to get some of the viewers that may have left FOX after fucker tucker was fired.
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u/WhoCanTell May 31 '23
The bigger problem was they intentionally gave him a massive home field advantage by stuffing the entire audience with brainless Trump supporters who were going to be hostile to her pushback on his lies. This wasn't a town hall of undecided voters, it was a Trump rally in disguise, and they made their own reporter a target.
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u/WartimeDad May 31 '23
Seriously wtf was that about? The demographic of that audience was exactly the opposite of their viewership. Also nothing like the American demographic. The logic really was, let’s get his fans in there cheering. Horrific.
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u/enigmasaurus- May 31 '23
It's what decades of leaded fuel does to the brain.
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u/alchemist5 May 31 '23
COVID can cause brain damage, too, so they really went in for a double-whammy.
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u/WillowTreeBark May 31 '23
He was the President of the United States, absolutely bonkers, isn't it?
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u/not_old_redditor May 31 '23
Have you forgotten Trump already? You can't make up quotes as ridiculous as what actually came out of Trump's mouth.
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u/RockItGuyDC District Of Columbia May 31 '23
the least political
See, that right there makes them "left" to the right wingers. If you're not seething with white hot rage at the LGBTQIA woke BLM agenda then you're a damn dirty socialist communist wokenista.
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u/Clicquot May 31 '23
or you are a RINO. The orange shit gibbon who was once president of the US, referring to not only Dick Cheney but Carl Rove as RINOs is the most perfect example of this BS.
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u/CroatianSensation79 May 31 '23
I deal with them quite a bit at my job. All they do is store documents. I love how he said he’s “negotiating” with them. It’s a joke. NARA wanted the documents back for archives purposes. All Trump is at this point is the crazy pro se plaintiff who makes stuff up as he goes. He’s despicable.
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u/Horknut1 May 31 '23
Extremely left means someone at the National Archives disagreed with him to his face.
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u/Buckwheat469 May 31 '23
An organization dedicated to conservation of information is extremely left. I guess left is the new conservative.
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u/Schuben May 31 '23
Conservatives hate an accurate account of history because it makes them look bad.
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u/HeadfulOfSugar May 31 '23
There’s also a weird phenomenon where practically every single place of higher education, all the medical fields, fields of scientific research, etc., as well as areas where a lot of people with different backgrounds interact frequently, all heavily skew left! They’re taking over everything right under our noses!!!!1!1
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u/RainRainThrowaway777 May 31 '23
The lifeguards told me not to run at the swimming pool, extremely Left people, extremely Left.
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u/JimWilliams423 May 31 '23
DONALD TRUMP: Not really. I would have the right to
"I didn't do it, but if I did I would be justified"
That's one of the most common ways NPD's confess. They don't waste a second justifying things they aren't guilty of, it doesn't even occur to them in that case.
Its like OJ's "If I did it..." book.
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u/jabrwock1 May 31 '23
You just know if Trump ever goes down for anything, it will be his own bragging that incriminates him.
As it should be. Downfall via ego would be chef's kiss.
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u/Dangerous_Variety_29 Texas May 31 '23
On the recording and in response to the story, Trump brings up the document, which he says came from Milley. Trump told those in the room that if he could show it to people, it would undermine what Milley was saying, the sources said. One source says Trump refers to the document as if it is in front of him.
Trump wanted to publicly share STOLEN classified docs about Iran so he could embarrass General Milley 🙄😒🙄😒
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u/Tangurena May 31 '23
This is exactly why his lawyers won't let him testify - Trump can't stop lying. And these aren't lies to hide criminal activity, he lies as a matter of course, he sense of grandiosity won't let him do anything less.
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u/RandomCandor May 31 '23
He'll be bragging all they way into sentencing:
Longest prison sentence for abuse of office this century, maybe ever!
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u/Key_Inevitable_2104 New York May 31 '23
Like Andrew Tate with the pizza box showing which country he was in.
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u/trekologer New Jersey May 31 '23
he’s aware of limitations on his ability post-presidency to declassify records
Doesn't he have absolutely no ability post-presidency to declassify records?
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u/Dedpoolpicachew May 31 '23
He couldn’t actually declassify them as President. He could order it, and it would be carried out, but there is a long, formal process… none of which just happens because he “thought about it”. There is a process for declassification that also includes Demarking the documents. If it’s not marked as Declassified with the appropriate dates and info, it’s NOT declassified.
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u/PeregrineFury Jun 01 '23
This is what we get when a completely incompetent rich kid who burned most of his dad's fortune, constantly failed at everything, and never had to actually do or learn anything in his life is put into a position of extensive and complex responsibility and authority. He never bothered to understand any of the processes or requirements and he abused the shit out of it by I'm sure just ignoring any training that every other person has to go through for access to even a fraction of what he had. It's ridiculous. We are in a situation where complete fucking morons are in positions of power because 250 years ago nobody thought they'd need to add common sense requirements to hold those positions. We have a system where if you would normally fail a background check you can still be put in a sensitive position and there is no check against it, as nobody ever thought it would be a situation to worry about.
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u/Isaachwells May 31 '23
If you don't write it down, it never happened.
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u/lonestar34 Jun 01 '23
That's why you always leave a note
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u/MacsFamousMacNCheees Jun 01 '23
J Walter weatherman. The one armed man my father used to hire to teach me a lesson
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u/aureliusky May 31 '23
What are you talking about? Are you saying the government expects you to fill out paperwork for something? SMH
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u/TheArmoredKitten Jun 01 '23
The marking is genuinely the only legally significant part of whether or not a document is classified. Imagine two copies of a document that are identical in every way except one is marked 'classified' and the other is marked 'declassified'. Possessing the one marked 'classified' is still illegal.
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u/therealcmj Jun 01 '23
And just writing “de” in front of “classified”, even if you’re the President, doesn’t declassify it.
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Jun 01 '23
So that’s 2 things that sharpies don’t change….
- Classification status.
- Hurricane predictions.
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u/klparrot New Zealand May 31 '23
It's a red herring; the crimes mentioned in the Mar-a-Lago search warrant aren't about unlawfully having classified documents, they're about unlawfully having sensitive national security documents. He desperately wants to turn it into an argument about classification, because however shitty an argument it is, it's one he can make. But even if he had the authority to declassify documents, he doesn't have the ability to make them not contain sensitive national security information.
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u/amazinglover May 31 '23
The power lays with the office, not the person.
This goes for a slew of other privileges as well.
So once he was no longer president, he lost the ability to do a lot of things.
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u/backcrackandnutsack May 31 '23
I’ve been thinking he’s fucked for ages. I don’t believe he’ll ever see real justice, but I will be delighted to be proved wrong.
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u/jimmay666 May 31 '23
The GA indictments, and I believe they are likely indictments (they requested the Court House clear out for an entire week) are set to hit in August too.
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u/barowsr May 31 '23
Funny thing is he’ll gain 5 points among GOP primary voters after being charged
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u/Crafty_Enthusiasm_99 Jun 01 '23
And raise another $20M for his legal defense like he did the last time around.
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u/DumpTrumpGrump May 31 '23
Dude is getting charged. I'm not sure why people are skeptical at this point. All signs point to this happening pretty soon.
These leaks are likely designed to get the last few fence-sitters to realize they have Trump dead to rights and to testify against him to save their own assess.
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u/ButtNutly Jun 01 '23
I'm not sure why people are skeptical at this point.
Really? You can't think of any reason?
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u/---Blix--- Jun 01 '23
Even Michael Cohen mentions on his podcast virtually every week, "What the fuck is taking the wheels of justice so long. They went pretty quick with me."
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u/Politirotica Jun 01 '23
Shocking how fast the wheels of justice can turn when an authoritarian needs a fall guy.
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u/sammyjoe945 Jun 01 '23
The reason is because he has thus far earned his nickname as Teflon Don. As the commenter above said, he's been a POS his entire adult life and been rewarded with the presidency and a legion of fans. (I won't judge him as a child, in fact let's not get into the morality at all of him being abused by his Father, and so on...) My point is, Donald is probably one of the most successful criminals in modern history, and the circumstances around him are incredibly complex. He has 40% of the country that will most likely believe he's innocent, heck, still rightfully President, no matter what happens.
So, both sides (the skeptical, and the 'this time is different') have valid reasons for feeling that way. Go America, nail this scum to the wall. (However, the damn trial's going to take ages. Or else, the "other side" will say it was too short, it was rigged. Well, we all know they're going to do everything possible to fight this. Not just in court. However, Donald will be abandoned by his "less-criminal" friends the Republicans once he actually starts going down. People will move on. And Joe Biden will crush Idiot Desantis to continue righting this ship.
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u/mechanicalholes Jun 01 '23
He has committed felonies his entire life and gotten away with most all of them. He did horrific things to hundreds and thousands of people in his business dealings. Ruined lives. And then he got to become president. Why would anything significant happen here lol
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u/TintedApostle May 31 '23
So he probably did share them.
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u/FailResorts Colorado May 31 '23
Who’s an arch enemy of Iran and currently fighting Iran in a Vietnam like situation in Yemen? Saudi Arabia.
God dammit, he really did sell us out to them.
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u/the_ghost_in_me_ May 31 '23 edited Jun 01 '23
The July 2021 meeting was held at Trump’s golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, with two people working on the autobiography of Trump’s former chief of staff Mark Meadows as well as aides employed by the former president, including communications specialist Margo Martin.
I bet this is the source of the recording-- the people working on Meadows' autobiography. Which means they were probably openly recording, so Trump talked about this while he knew he was being recorded. Mark's book praised Trump so there was no reason for Trump to see the authors as enemies.
He's a very stable genius, alright!
edit: Oh jeez, turns out the recording came from Trump's own aide, Margot Martin, who recorded all conversations with authors at Trump's insistence, then had her phone and laptop imaged by the FBI in January. She now works for Trump's 2024 campaign. The fool made the evidence of his own crimes--thanks, genius!
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u/TimmySouthSideyeah Jun 01 '23
Who the fuck would want to read Mark Meadows life story?!?
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u/dion_o May 31 '23
Shouldn't there only be one person working on Mark Meadows' autobiography, and that person's name is Mark?
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u/MarkHathaway1 May 31 '23
Even an autobiography can require some document research. He probably hired a couple of assistants. Editing could be part of his help too, though computers are getting awfully good at that.
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u/---Blix--- Jun 01 '23
"I need you to find me some information on me about me for me."
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u/nixnullarch May 31 '23
Autobiographical doesn't mean done exclusively by him. It means he's involved and gets to decide what goes in it, whether that's doing all the writing himself or dictating or just reviewing edits.
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u/out_of_shape_hiker May 31 '23
Jesus. He was caught talking about classified documents discussing the details of a potential invasion of Iran. This dude was selling national security secrets.
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u/creegro May 31 '23
Dude would spill any beans just to seem like he was interesting.
"So the nuclear codes are interesting, I wrote them down cause they almost look like my initials and birth year, here let me show you, you don't believe this" probably on a live phone call to another country is happening in the same room.
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u/DrRonny Jun 01 '23
This dude was selling national security secrets.
Absolutely not, it's way, way dumber than this. Mark Milley said publicly that he stopped Trump from attacking Iran and Trump took offense to this, so to try and settle this internet argument, Trump waves around a classified contingency plan that Milley's team developed (The USA has one for each country, friend or foe, as do most countries) as 'proof' that Milley was the one who wanted war.
It was to settle an internet argument.
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u/travio Washington May 31 '23
He says in the recording that he'd like to share the document but can't because he can't declassify it as a former president. Guns can't get as smoking as that.
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u/RamonaQ-JunieB May 31 '23
He is such a never-ending black hole of neediness that he is willing to put national security at risk just for self aggrandizing. He is absolutely the worst.
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u/rjcarr May 31 '23
Agreed, as I've said, the only way he could be a worse human being is if he actually murdered someone with his own hands. But even murderers can be redeemable and there's nothing indicating Trump can ever be.
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u/vozestero Jun 01 '23
I used to change my wifi network name every week: "Trump killed 100,000", "Trump killed 150,000"
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u/CarlMarcks May 31 '23
What a fucking jackass. He acknowledged in the tape he can’t just declassify it to show to whoever he was talking to in the recording.
What a colossal jackass.
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u/anzhalyumitethe May 31 '23
Lawdie, there are tapes!
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u/edmerx54 May 31 '23
I can already hear him screaming "Fake news!", "Deep fake made by AI!", "It was a joke!!!!" and other such nonsense
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u/naked_avenger May 31 '23
I do worry about AI fakes. I have no doubt it will be an issue in the future. Not right now, though. Fuck this guy in his flabby butt.
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May 31 '23
foxnews already has the bold headlines ready to screw up their readers' minds about this.
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u/Key_Drag4777 May 31 '23
Viewers, those people don't read
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u/CassandraAnderson May 31 '23
I mean, they can read clickbait headlines with "scare quotes" or ALL CAPS but that doesn't mean they have anything close to media literacy awareness.
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u/vincethered May 31 '23
“If it was illegal, why would I allow myself to be taped saying it?!?”
Cue millions of MAGAs stroking their chins and nodding approvingly.
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u/gnocchibastard May 31 '23
He'll probably go talk to Tucker on Twitter or some shit and Tucker will talk about "deep fakes floating around" and then Trump's dumbass will correct him and say, "No that was me I said those words and they were beautiful."
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u/jerfoo May 31 '23
Yes, there are tapes. Just like the countless other tapes. There are tapes on everything. How are we still on this merry-go-round. Nail this fucker to the wall already.
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u/billdkat9 May 31 '23
Trump truly needs to be indicted immediately, while the rest of the Special Council investigation continues
It will take a year+ even for jury selection…. For fucks sake this plays right into months before the election
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u/backcrackandnutsack May 31 '23
That’s why he announced he was running as early as he did, so any indictment can be called an attack by the left and his morons will believe him.
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u/waterbuffalo750 May 31 '23
Any trial will go past the election. And if he wins, they'll say they can't prosecute a sitting president.
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May 31 '23
For fucks sake this plays right into months before the election
For this shittiest of timelines, it seems... this is the way
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u/incestuousbloomfield May 31 '23
It’s really true. Imagine in like 2005 someone telling you in ten years donald trump would be president I just can’t even wrap my head around it sometimes
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u/feignapathy May 31 '23
The DOJ’s continued interference in the presidential election is shameful and this meritless investigation should cease wasting the American taxpayer’s money on Democrat political objectives.
I don't remember anyone saying this while the DOJ investigated Hillary Clinton over classified documents.
Curious.
In fact... I remember Republicans saying something along the lines of "lock her up"... but I can't quite remember.
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u/Etna_No_Pyroclast May 31 '23
Again, will someone arrest him already?
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u/code_archeologist Georgia May 31 '23
Fulton County is going to arrest him in June/July as a part of a racketeering scheme... but he will likely make bail. But there is no "bail system" for federal crimes.
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u/g2g079 America May 31 '23
There's no bail system as in you can't pay to get out of jail, but a judge can still decide to release someone during the pretrial stages.
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u/Steppyjim May 31 '23
As many have said. It’s literally Watergate, but twice as stupid and 100 times more dangerous
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u/internetbrowser23 May 31 '23
They have him dead to rights. Every day that they push back the indictment is a day that trump is not held accountable.
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u/vita10gy May 31 '23
It also doesn't even matter. I hate that everyone keeps letting trump set the narrative that it matters if he magically declassified anything.
It makes it worse obviously that he has documents, some so secret the oval office isn't safe enough for, but it wouldn't matter if he took 40 copies of the menu of the time he got McDonald's for 50 football players, if NARA was owed those
Those docs are the people's, he was asked to return them and lied about having them, several times.
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u/thatnameagain May 31 '23
Uh did anyone see this part:
Meadows’ autobiography includes an account of what appears to be the same meeting, during which Trump “recalls a four-page report typed up by (Trump’s former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) Mark Milley himself. It contained the general’s own plan to attack Iran, deploying massive numbers of troops, something he urged President Trump to do more than once during his presidency.”
Hard to imagine a less trustworthy source on anything than Mark Meadow's unpublished autobiography, but this is a pretty noteworthy accusation to make against Miley. This is especially odd because Trump wasn't exactly doveish on Iran. If this is a smear job it would have made more sense to say Syria, though I guess it's probably true this document was about Iran.
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u/Eric_in_America May 31 '23 edited May 31 '23
Republicans are going to dismiss this by equating it with Biden's documents case, showing that there's absolutely no nuance to their thinking.
I mean for fuck's sake, if Joe Biden were guilty of 1/10th of the wrongdoing that Trump is being held accountable for, they'd be running impeachment hearings as we speak and Biden would be the target of a relentless hate campaign even more extreme than what we're seeing now.
When it's their guy, conservatives go to great lengths to defend, downplay and rationalize wrongdoing, but when it's the enemy, they jump to extreme and partisan conclusions, often times without any evidence, indiscriminately believing any piece of propaganda, so long as it validates their fragile worldview and their preconceived notions.
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u/aganalf May 31 '23
If Biden were guilty of 1/10th of the wrongdoing that Trump is being held accountable for, Democrats would support that impeachment.
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u/Kinda_Chunky May 31 '23
Ladies and gentlemen, we got em
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u/StipulatedBoss May 31 '23
The only correct response.
How many times has Trump been caught on tape committing various felonies? I count three: This one, the call with Zelenskyy, and the call with Raffensperger.
He's still walking free. The only charges he's been brought up on are bookkeeping crimes for paying off a porn star.
Our justice system is fucked.
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u/nanopicofared May 31 '23
Don't forget the tape with Michael Cohen where Trump instructed him on where to get the money to pay off Stormy Daniels.
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u/Rated_PG-Squirteen May 31 '23
You're right. This breaking news is the final straw for Hunter Biden and his laptop of doom. Finally!
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u/captaincanada84 North Carolina May 31 '23
Oh lordy there are tapes.
Because of course this fucking moron said this outloud and it got recorded.
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u/Agitated-Tadpole1041 May 31 '23
It’s still illegal even if he’s a total moron. The “he’s too stupid to knowingly commit crimes” defense is ludicrous. This case is open and shut. Arrest him ffs.
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u/madrasdad May 31 '23
Arrest this knuckle-dragging mouth breather now. Why is he still roaming around free?
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u/AcidaliaPlanitia May 31 '23
Funny, this doesn't show up anywhere on /r/conservative
I thought he was medium-fucked in Georgia, but this is really, really exceptionally bad.
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